Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol and Graham Gunden talk with Dr. Joe Rigney. They discuss a little bit of his background and how he got to where he is now in his theology and ministry. Then they get his thoughts on Christian Nationalism, the concern of nominal Christianity, and the need for a robust public theology: Does he identify as a Christian Nationalist? What does a Protestant public theology look like? How do we think theologically in a negative world?